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ReluctantlyYours's avatar

I don't think it's antisemitism, I think it's stupidity and conformity being leveraged by, yes, antisemites. It's obviously true that some criticisms of Israel are antisemitic and it's also obviously true that some aren't, and I wish we could escape the meta discursive hellscape and discuss specific criticisms on their merits because as an Israeli leftist Zionist Jew this is my life here, but I guess it's not how humans act. What keeps happening is someone makes over the top accusations, like say, a genocide, I say something like "then why aren't you worried about [list of genocides I memorized to score points]", or go lexical on them just for them to say "so you think killing X people is okay as long as it's not a genocide?"

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It's not working. That's why we invented the concept of the burden of proof. I don't want to make people prove they're not antisemitic, or to prove that they are. I don't care. People should prove their claims and that's it.

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Desertopa's avatar

I don't think it's necessarily exactly antisemitism per se, but I think that arguments *against* it being antisemitic, if accepted on their own terms, are fully sufficient to overcome the claims that the right wing is antisemitic which people on the left have been arguing for decades.

What really rankles me is, while you can definitely argue that anti-Israeli sentiment is rooted in anticolonialism rather than antisemitism, people who've said for years that "if nine people sit down at a table with one nazi, you have ten nazis at a table" are now marching shoulder to shoulder with people who literally call for global extermination of all Jews. It's one thing to argue "I stand against the actions of the state of Israel because I oppose colonialism, not because of antipathy for Jews," but if someone uncritically accepts and transmit propaganda from people who openly support killing all Jews worldwide, and when people point out to them, "hey, these people actually say they want to kill all Jews worldwide, look," and they respond with excuses or denial, I can only consider those people to be completely without moral credibility.

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